Kurt Cobain...Suicide or Murder?

["Kill 'em all I say."]

So Much I Don't Know I Seriously Doubt That..... Concidering Cobain Case Is Biased Bullshit, Really ANY Evedence that points to Murder, It Is Better Explained Toward The Suicide Theroy.... Trust Me I Haven't come across One Point That Cannont Be Explained By It..... TRUST ME i'm Well read on this.


But Of Cource You Know Better, Because You Read Something On A Website A Biased Website...... Dont stirr Your Facts And Your Bullshit Up Because Thats When You End Up With a Bucket Full Of Shit And facts.

[DollSteak]

Originally Posted by nirvana94

Tom Grant, a private investigator hired by Love, saw that the heroin level in Cobain's body was 1.52 milligrams per liter and stated that Cobain couldn't have pulled the shotgun trigger with such a high amount of heroin in his body.

Yeah but no one will ever know how high his tolerance to heroin was.When you take so much of a drug over a long period of time your body will adapt to it eventually and the junk will never be as good as it as the last time you tried it unless you up the dose

[lovebuzz]

i don't think we'll ever know what happened. there was a lot of bungled work done by the police that had investigated. the whole thing was very poorley investigated, which no one can deny.

pretty much anything that can be used as evidence that it was a murder can also be explained in the suicide theory.

there are also a ton of crack-pots on the internet that love a good conspiracy. be careful what you believe.

i personally believe it was suicide, but, i have read up on the murder theory too.

was it courtney love? maybe. but i doubt it. it could've been a number of people.

but i'm sticking with the suicide explanation.

[DollSteak]

of course it was a suicide.Kurt was often deppressed and you can even find references to this in his music.but your certainly right about the crock-pot conspiracies out there,If you look at any famous death that isnt perfectly explained theres a conspiracy behind it.

[milk it]

Hey I'm new here, and I would say that Kurt obviously commited suicide he begged to die and wanted it, Courtney loved him to to much to do such a thing in my opnion, what about Kurt's suicide note as well? Here's a copy;

To Boddah
Speaking from the tongue of an experienced simpleton who obviously would rather be an emasculated, infantile complain-ee. This note should be pretty easy to understand.

All the warnings from the punk rock 101 courses over the years, since my first introduction to the, shall we say, ethics involved with independence and the embracement of your community has proven to be very true. I haven't felt the excitement of listening to as well as creating music along with reading and writing for too many years now. I feel guity beyond words about these things.

For example when we're back stage and the lights go out and the manic roar of the crowds begins., it doesn't affect me the way in which it did for Freddie Mercury, who seemed to love, relish in the the love and adoration from the crowd which is something I totally admire and envy. The fact is, I can't fool you, any one of you. It simply isn't fair to you or me. The worst crime I can think of would be to rip people off by faking it and pretending as if I'm having 100% fun. Sometimes I feel as if I should have a punch-in time clock before I walk out on stage. I've tried everything within my power to appreciate it (and I do,God, believe me I do, but it's not enough). I appreciate the fact that I and we have affected and entertained a lot of people. It must be one of those narcissists who only appreciate things when they're gone. I'm too sensitive. I need to be slightly numb in order to regain the enthusiasms I once had as a child.

On our last 3 tours, I've had a much better appreciation for all the people I've known personally, and as fans of our music, but I still can't get over the frustration, the guilt and empathy I have for everyone. There's good in all of us and I think I simply love people too much, so much that it makes me feel too fucking sad. The sad little, sensitive, unappreciative, Pisces, Jesus man. Why don't you just enjoy it? I don't know!

I have a goddess of a wife who sweats ambition and empathy and a daughter who reminds me too much of what i used to be, full of love and joy, kissing every person she meets because everyone is good and will do her no harm. And that terrifies me to the point to where I can barely function. I can't stand the thought of Frances becoming the miserable, self-destructive, death rocker that I've become.

I have it good, very good, and I'm grateful, but since the age of seven, I've become hateful towards all humans in general. Only because it seems so easy for people to get along that have empathy. Only because I love and feel sorry for people too much I guess.

Thank you all from the pit of my burning, nauseous stomach for your letters and concern during the past years. I'm too much of an erratic, moody baby! I don't have the passion anymore, and so remember, it's better to burn out than to fade away.

Peace, love, empathy.
Kurt Cobain

Frances and Courtney, I'll be at your alter.
Please keep going Courtney, for Frances.
For her life, which will be so much happier without me.


I LOVE YOU, I LOVE YOU!

This is state of the art proof.

[BuzzQueen]

I don't think it was suicide. It seems...just not like that to me. An accident that was covered up makes more sense. The whole "He was a tortured genius and I couldn't save him" is just too perfect a role for Courtney. I really don't believe that theirs was a doomed love story---or even a relationship that was likely to last. Some of the information on the murder theory side might be biased occasionally, but then again so is a lot of the information on the suicide theory. Anything Courtney said about it is obviously geared toward painting her as the tragic widow.

[Healthy Student]

The guys dead and lets face it he was dead long before he ever put that gun to his chin/lips. What gets me more about this sort of thing is that people want to believe he was murdered as an antidote to the fact that Cobain was a very selfish little boy and basically a terrible junkie. He didn't love you, the fans, he was only interested in escapism and the indulgence of his own ego. A man of infinite contradictions, not because he was a genius, but because he didn't have the wantons to be honest with himself. Though he did have a brilliant understanding of media manipulation and his main talent was to expose a generation of kids like me to a much larger world of art (he was a far better artist than song writer)

Lets face it though the guy is worth a lot more to people dead than he was alive. What percentage of Nirvana's record sales are posthumous. People love a myth and thats what he's become, just like Morrison etc.

I loved Nirvana back in the day and put up with all the crap i used to read in the magazines i bought with my hard earned cash. I even shed a tear the day i was at a disco and a friend came up to me and told me Cobain had killed someone (obviously he got it wrong which i found out the next day). But after the fall out and listening to Love read his note i just thought 'you prick'. He should of just done that shitty acoustic album with Stipe and given it all up. But yeah as i said - selfish little boy.

[foofangirl]

for those who love kurt wouldnt hurt him as it is, it was suicide, and it was a tragic day for everyone. Courtney love tryed too save kurt on more then one occation, imagine how broken she felt, people who say that about courtney that is so shallow of you, and kurt cobain wouldnt appreciate it neither, please leave her alone, and remember kurt for the music he made, because it still changes peoples lives today

[danial1]

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[danial1]

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